Hi! I’m Josh Elledge, the Chief Executive Angel of SavingsAngel.com and welcome to the SavingsAngel show! I’m podcasting to you during the beginning of Spring in Orlando, Florida.

I am an extremely busy consumer expert, money-saving advocate, syndicated newspaper columnist, and the guy that turns digital entrepreneurs into media celebrities with UpMyInfluence.com. I love what I do and can’t wait to get going on today’s episode.

In order to help you save more, earn more and live more abundantly on today’s show I’ll be covering:

• Beware of These (Debunked) Grocery Shopping Myths
• Clean and Green Home-Cooked Meals
• Ways to Save on Building Your Home

LINKS FROM THE PODCAST:

HelloFresh.com/savingsangel10

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Beware of These (Debunked) Grocery Shopping Myths

Most of us conduct our daily activities without giving them much thought, especially when it comes to the hidden details. We don’t often stop and think about whether or not there’s a better (or cheaper) way to do things, especially when it comes to grocery shopping. Well, in the spirit of innovation, here are a few grocery shopping myths we’ve debunked for you to help you better optimize your shopping trips.

Shop Pound for Pound

A common shopping myth is that you spend a lot when you buy items priced by the pound. Buying a family-size box of cereal, which can cost you around $5 for brand-name cereals, is way more expensive than purchasing, say, bananas at 59 cents per pound. You could buy nine pounds of bananas for about the price of that box of cereal. Not only can you eat healthier if you’re buying more produce (which is often priced by the pound), you’re also saving money. You get a better bang for your buck, so be open-minded to buying food by the pound.

Shopping at More Than One Store

Yes, at face value, shopping at more than one store for your groceries seems time-consuming. However, an easy fix for this is following a list that you don’t deviate from and cherry-picking the deals at each store. Hopefully, the stores you shop at aren’t far from one another. If they’re close in proximity, you stick to your list, and you shop only for what you need (e.g. what’s on your pre-planned list), you don’t wander aimlessly for what you need, you don’t buy extras, and you speed through the shopping process. You can save a ton of money and time this way — that’s right. You can save money and time by shopping at multiple stores if you plan ahead.

Is Organic Better?

At a cursory glance, shopping for only organic produce seems like the healthiest option. However, this isn’t always the case. Yes, organic produce lacks the same pesticides that regular produce might contain, but for some items, this is a non-issue according to the Environmental Working Group. Fruits and veggies with rinds (oranges, avocados, bananas, etc.) won’t contain contaminated edible fruit. If you wash them off, as you should with all produce (organic or not), you’re perfectly safe and didn’t pay extra for organic produce. Pay close attention to the price differences between organic and regular produce and choose carefully when you shop for these items.

Buying in Bulk

Is buying in bulk always a deal? Well, it depends. For some items, shopping in bulk is a great idea, especially at wholesale prices. Things like toiletries, toilet paper, soap, and more are great bulk items. However, other bulk purchases might be unwise. If you buy perishable items in bulk, will you be able to finish it before it expires and needs to be tossed? If you’re buying sugary, processed items in bulk, you’re setting yourself up for an extended period of eating those items. If you decide to diet or change your eating lifestyle, you won’t want to waste these items. You might find yourself ‘on the hook’ to finish these items, which postpones or completely cancels out any decisions to eat better. Buy in bulk conscientiously and be mindful of what you’re stocking up on.

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Clean and Green Home-Cooked Meals

Let’s move on here to something I’m super passionate about — saving money on good, wholesome food. Seems like that might be contradictory right? Not with HelloFresh.

HelloFresh is America’s Number 1 Meal Kit that brings you wholesome, healthy, pre-measured ingredients so you can make fast, home-cooked meals. HelloFresh cuts out your grocery trips and prevents you from overbuying on ingredients; this means it cuts back on your spending and it’s environmentally conscious. They offer an impressive variety of 23 recipes each week featuring all sorts of flavor palettes, ingredient combinations, cuisines, diets, and more. 

You don’t have to spend hours trying to plan meals for the week, you don’t have to spend or buy more than you need, and you can actually enjoy cooking again. 

My family and I recently tried the carb-smart meal, Orchard Chicken Salad. This recipe was super easy to throw together and wow, was it good. Super fresh and flavorful, and low-carb to boot. HelloFresh caters to a variety of diets and lifestyles, and this is a prime example of one of their low-carb friendly meals. Once again, we walked away from dinner with zero leftovers, we didn’t overbuy on ingredients, we didn’t waste food. Every ingredient was healthy, clean, and yes, fresh. 

If you’ve liked what you’ve heard and want to hear more, go to HelloFresh.com/savingsangel10 and use code ‘savingsangel10’ for 10 free meals, including free shipping! I’m hooking you up, again, SavingsAngel friends. Give it a try and see what you think; I promise you’ll love it just as much as I do. That’s HelloFresh.com/savingsangel10, use code savingsangel10 for 10 free meals and free shipping.

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Ways to Save on Building Your Home

Listen to this episode to hear Josh's interview with Keith Kelsch on how to save while building your own home!

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Transcription of Today's Episode

Hi, I'm Josh Elledge, the Chief Executive Angel at savingsangel.com. And welcome to the savings Angel Show. I'm podcasting to you during the beginning of spring in Orlando, Florida, which pretty much means summer everywhere else. Now I am an extremely busy consumer expert, money saving advocate, syndicated newspaper columnist and a guy that helps consultants go from six figures to seven figure rock stars at up my influence calm if you know someone who sells to business owners b2b send my way I can help them. Now I love what I do, and I can't wait to get going on today's episode. So in order to help you save more, earn more and live more abundantly on today's show, I'm going to be covering debunked grocery shopping myths, I'm going to be doing some myth busting On this episode, I'm going to be talking about clean and green, home cooked meals, how you can make this a reality. And then finally, we're going to talk about how you can save some huge money by building your own home. I know it sounds scary, stay with me, I've got all that and more, let's get going.

Now most of us conduct our daily activities without giving them much thought, right? We're on just autopilot on a lot of stuff. Especially when it comes to the hidden details. We don't often stop and think about whether or not there's a better or cheaper way to do things. That's why you got me in your life. Now, especially when it comes to stuff like grocery shopping Well, in the spirit of savings. And being your savings Angel. Here are a few grocery shopping Miss, we've debunked for you to help you better optimize your shopping trips. Number one, think pound for pound. A common shopping myth is that you spend a lot when you buy items price by the pound, say like in the produce aisle. Now buying a family box of cereal, which can cost you around $5 or more for brand name stuff is way more expensive than say purchasing bananas at 59 cents per pound, you could buy nine pounds of bananas for about the same price as that box of cereal. Now, not only can you eat healthier, if you're buying more produce, which is often priced by the pound, you'll also be saving money, you'll get a better bang for your buck. So be open minded to buying more produce and food by the pound. It's it's again, we think of produce as being expensive, but it's actually quite voluminous what you get. And again, it's healthy for you. That's how I was able to lose 60 pounds by just eating a lot of healthy Whole Foods primarily from the produce section. Now, this next one is that shopping at more than one store is expensive. Yeah, at face value shopping at more than one store in your group for your groceries, it seems time consuming. And you're going to burn all that gas and stuff because you have to go to multiple stores. However, an easy fix for this is following a list that you don't deviate from. And you want to cherry pick the deals at each store. Now hopefully the stores you shop at aren't far from one another. If they're close in proximity, you stick to your list, and you shop only for what you need or what you've pre planned or what I like to do is shop and cherry pick the absolute best deals at each store and then move on. Right. It's like going into a casino that specializes in extracting money from gamblers. But man, they've got a great you know, 599 prime rib dinner with the works right? So obviously, again, some people make out by you know, getting the great deal on the meal. Listen, I'm not going to get into a whole conversation about gambling, but I'm just saying that's where they make the money. They don't make it at the prime rib bar. Now. If they're close, you know, getting back to the stores here again, close proximity stick your list shop for what you want. It's pre planned. I don't want you wandering aimlessly for what you need. Okay? I don't want you buying all this extra stuff because you're like, Ooh, that looks delicious. And it's full price right? Pay attention a mama savings age Oh my mom, right? It's like if it wasn't on sale, she did not buy it, we waited, we waited until it went on sale or she we waited until she had a coupon for it or something like that. We got a discount, that's when we got that particular item. And then when you get those great deals, of course, you know again, you're going to stock up on that and I'm going to get into that in just a moment. Right, I want you speeding through the shopping process. You know, it's proven that every minute you spend in the grocery store, you will spend a lot more money. Right? Now you can save a ton of money. If you could just go in, get your stuff, get out, okay? You'll also save both time and money by shopping at multiple stores. If you plan ahead, go in, get the great deals, get out. That's and let everybody else all the other quote unquote suckers pay full price for everything, not you and I. Alright, next question is organic, better. Now at a cursory glance, shopping for only organic produce seems like the healthiest option. However, this isn't always the case. Yes, organic produce lacks some of this pesticides and the regular produce might contain. But for some of the items, this is a non issue. According to the Environmental Working Group, fruits and veggies with rinds, think oranges, avocados, bananas, cantaloupe, I mean, I could go on and on, they just won't contain contaminated edible fruit. Again, according to Environmental Working Group, if you wash them off, as you should, with all produce, you're perfectly safe. And again, with that thick rind or peel, it's just not getting into the part you're going to eat. This is not me to say Environmental Working Group. If you disagree with that you go take it up with them, I want you to Google these two terms, Dirty Dozen and clean 15. And then you'll find that with the environmental work group, and you're going to learn a lot about this. Again, I want to help you if you're going to be investing money I want you to invest, where you're going to get the biggest bang for your buck, not in the marginal improvements, right. So again, if you have to prioritize where you want to invest in organic produce, definitely do stuff with like lettuce and apples and some of the other ones that appear on the Dirty Dozen. Now pay close attention to price differences between organic and regular produce and choose carefully when you shop for those items. Finally, is buying in bulk. Always a deal? Well, it depends. For some items, shopping in bulk is a great idea. Maybe if you get truly get some sort of wholesale per unit price. Like you've you figured out the math and you're like, Yeah, it definitely makes sense. Okay, things think of things like toiletries, toilet paper. So those can be great in bulk items. And I'm not saying always right, because you still have to compare per unit pricing. However, other bulk purchases might be unwise, okay, if you buy perishable items in bulk, will you be able to finish it before it expires and or needs to be tossed. If you're buying sugary processed items in bulk, you're setting yourself up for an extended period of eating those items. If you decide to diet or change your eating lifestyle, you don't want to waste those items. So maybe not buying those ones, you might find yourself on the hook to finish those items which postpones or completely cancels out any decisions to eat better, buy in bulk conscientiously, and be mindful of what you're stocking up on. And again, you and I, we're not going to be fooled by marketing, right? Because we're going to do simple math on the things that we buy, just because you're going into a store that looks like a warehouse, and you're like, Whoa, we are getting wholesale prices. No, you're not, maybe on some of the items, a few of the items you might be. But we've done extensive research on warehouse club pricing. And by and large, it almost never beats those Bogo deals are those 50% off deals that you can find at regular high low grocery stores. Same thing for Walmart, or all the great stores, right you can get great deals, particularly on the staples, alright, but again, you generally are not going to do as well as a store that if they say, Hey, we are having a 50% offer Bogo deal. And it's you know, it's on the front page of the ad or they're promoting, it's right at the front of the store. Generally, those are your loss leaders, and nobody's going to be able to come close to those kind of prices, particularly if you're also stacking coupons or other savings on top of that. Alright, so there you go. Listen, you want to learn a lot more about this You just simply go to savings angel.com use our search feature. We have 12 years of researched, saving advice. It's all free. There's no membership needed anymore. It's all free. It's all available to you. It's my gift to you. I am your resident savings Angel for life. And do me a favor, please. You might be doing all right financially, like you don't have any money stressor right now or whatever. But you know what, you and I both have friends that that are I want to help that person Would you do me a favor this podcast, if you could take a screenshot with your phone right now, or, you know, click that little Share button. And and please share this episode with a friend, I really would love to be of service to them. You and I together can do some great work by spreading the word good word about you know, being a little bit more conscientious and thoughtful about the things that we're buying. I want to help them save money. So they don't have to be quite so stressed about the financial stuff in their life. And you know that my friends, you know, if we can not only just take care of ourselves, we can help other people. This is truly a part of living abundantly.

Now, let's move on to something here that I'm equally passionate about. And again, that saving money on good, wholesome food, right, sometimes that seems contrary, like a contradiction, right? Well, not with HelloFresh I'm a big fan of meal delivery, and HelloFresh because it can be a really, really great deal. It's, it's America's number one meal kit. HelloFresh is it brings you wholesome, healthy, pre-measured ingredients. So you're not gonna have the waste, right? We talked about that. You can make fast home cooked meals, Hello Fresh cuts out your grocery trips. It prevents you from over buying on ingredients. It means it's going to help you cut back on the spending. And the way that HelloFresh does it. It's environmentally conscious. They offer an impressive variety of 23 recipes each week featuring all sorts of flavor palettes, ingredient combinations, cuisines, diets, and more. You don't have to spend hours trying to plan meals for the week. You don't have to spend or buy more than you need. And you can actually enjoy cooking again, it's like having your own sous chef. Isn't that cool? Now my family and I recently tried the carb smart meal, orchard chicken salad. Now this recipe was super easy to throw together and it was good. It was great. It was like the stuff you'd get from a good restaurant. super fresh, flavorful. And you know, we don't we try to kind of limit the carbs and sugar and that sort of stuff. HelloFresh caters to a variety of diets and lifestyles. You know, the example I just gave is a prime example of one of their low carb friendly meals once again. We walked away from dinner with zero leftovers, and we didn't over buy ingredients. We didn't waste food. every ingredient was healthy, clean. And yes fresh. Now. If you want more join me right I guess I'm a big fan. Right? You go to this is the best deal that we could find. You go to hellofresh.com slash savings Angel one zero at savings Angel 10. Again, you have to go to HelloFresh comm slash savings Angel 10 and use the code savings Angel one zero, okay, a little tricky. But if you get that you get 10 free meals, including free shipping. This is a major major hookup by savings Angel friend. Give it a try. Let me know what you think you could join jump on our Facebook group, let me know what you got. Take a picture send it to me. I'd love to see I'm a fan, right? I promise you're gonna love it just as much as my family and I did Again, that's HelloFresh comm slash savings Angel 10. Use the code savings Angel 10 for 10 free meals and you get free shipping. Thanks to our friends at HelloFresh for sponsoring this segment.

Alright, Keith Kelsch. Thanks so much for joining us. All right. So I want to talk about something that I think some people have toyed with the idea they've thought about it. Because maybe they've been through a home transaction. Maybe they've been through a building process themselves. And they looked at the sticker price, and it's expensive to build a house. And I think that other people have wondered, is it possible to take more of an active role in a way that's realistic? If it means that we can save money on building a home? And you're here to say that? Oh, yeah, it's possible. In fact, you've got kind of a method for how you teach folks how to do that.

Yes, that's that's what I do.

Now you're in St. George in southern Utah, where I can imagine is just a huge real estate boom. Right now as of when we're recording this,

yeah, we are in the Riptide zone. So everybody that moved out west to Oregon and California, they didn't like it anymore. And now that's Riptide coming back into the inland area. So,
yeah.

Alright, so let's dive in. So is it possible to be your own general contractor?

Yeah, it's called owner builder. And just about every state in the nation allows you to do that there are some provinces cities that request or ask for a general contractor either as a consultant or to manage the project. But for the most part 99% of the time, you can be an owner builder and build your own home. But I don't teach people how to throw a hammer, pour concrete dig in the ground, I teach them how to replace the general contractor who doesn't do any of those things anyway, most of them would subcontract about 85 to 95% of the workout. So by managing but by amping by managing your own build, you're you're saving that 10 to 23% of the total cost to build a home, if you didn't build it, which is a subcontract, which is the contractor fee.

That's incorrect. Wait a minute, to let someone think that you just threw that number out there attended 23%. Let's do some math on that. Let's say we're talking about like a $300,000. Home, right? times point 220 percent, that's $60,000, that you don't need to finance, of course, on a 30 year mortgage, or a construction loan, right on 60k, you're paying a lot more than that. Right? That is a potentially huge, huge savings.

Yeah, and it can actually go even higher than that. Sometimes I know builders that are charging 23 and 26%, you just don't know because you don't really know what's in the contract. And so what it is, is, is it's a training and construction management. And if you go to college, most construction management courses that you take are really structure for commercial. And so a lot of the people that build residential homes that are general contractors, they come up either through one, maybe two trades, they suddenly call themselves a general contractor. And just because you have a general contractor license doesn't make you a good contractor or construction manager. And so I try to teach people that. here's a here's a process, here's a flow, here's what happens. You really need to find some land. I have checklists along the way. Okay, let's go find some land. Here's a checklist for home site selection checklists, we want to check the elevation we want to check is there access to power and water? Okay, now we need a geotechnical report on this land, we just don't want to buy in the dark, what's 12 feet down? We may not know let's get a geotech report, let's ask the home but the seller of the land to pay for that. Anyway, there's a process that you go through. And a lot of people want to ignore the process. And if you go through the process correctly, you'll have less room for hiccup less room for overcharges, less room for budget mishaps what have you and a lot of the lot of owner builders just don't they don't know that process.

Um, this I would be nervous to take over this role because I would think it's going to be I'm going to get way over my head, I'm going to be completely here's your my three big objections, I'm gonna get ya I'm gonna get way over my head, there's die I'm, I feel like I would be being naive to think that I could be able to handle something like that's an objective. Objection number one. Objection number two, is that I just don't have enough hard skills to be able to do that. And number three, is the subs are going to hose me over. So how many out there's the if you are making money, better money with your regular job, then building being an owner builder, you should hire a general contractor hire a contractor, a general contractor is there for a specific reason to do it, you don't have the time to do and to do it, you would you don't really are going to make as much money as doing what you're currently doing. So I teach people you don't want to jump into it willy nilly. But there are a lot of people out there where it's it's it's no contractor and owner builder or this or they don't get to home they want. I deal with people all the time I deal with I have three students in a program right now that are building multi million dollar homes. Three students right now and they're in the 100 and above $1,000. Home, and why are they doing it? Well, the general contractor fee in those particular areas is north of $175,000. And so if if they have the time, which is really the key component, yeah, I've got the time I work from home and I can I can be on a site, you know, couple hours a day. It's not a problem because I can I can be I can fluctuate so it's like taking us a side job for six to eight months for 100 $75,000 that's the way people look at it, and they can get the home they want, they can get the finishes they want. Or they can have the savings on less cost on the overall budget, you know, 30 year mortgages, that kind of thing. So it becomes a factor for either people that are building a big home or even a person who wants to build the most affordable home they can. So it's, it's not for everyone. But it is for a lot of people that this is the only option they have to get into a home.
Is it is it incredibly challenging to work with subcontractors. And like, I always envision, like, you know, the general is just going to look out for me and see things that I might not be able to see that that would be why I would think that they would do what they be doing.

If your design is simple, straightforward. And if you go through this, the I teach people how to read people, I wrote a book on how to read people. And it's the first book to the teaches you the three people you don't want to hire. They tell you what you want to hear in their bad news. One of the things I teach students is there's quality, time and cost. And if you make cost the bottom line thing on your decision for everything, you're going to run into problems. So you look, bids that come in, concrete comes in. And one of them's like $9,000, less than the other two, which are $9. More, if they go without bottom one, they're gonna they're gonna pay the price every time, especially when it comes to really sensitive issues like concrete. I'm dealing with a client right now that I'm actually building their home for them. They're really neat people, but they wanted me to use their concrete guy, I have not used a different concrete guy in 14 years ago. This is risky business. For me, I've never stepped out what I know works. And what I've hired for all these years,
updation problems can be really expensive.

Because they wanted they wanted to go with someone that was about $9,000 cheaper, and I go, it's gonna you're gonna pay for it. And right now they're paying for it. And because I've been on it left and right, but he wasn't square in a couple of areas, and the spot footing. So that's why you and I were talking in the beginning, before we started meeting today, I'm making a move this Bob, I have to do a lot of management, I have to babysit it left and right to make sure they get it right. I can't just say Oh, yeah, that's john. I know, john john will get it right. And he doesn't get it right. But these people didn't get it right. And so I have to manage it even more. And that's where it becomes costly. If you're making cost your bottom line factor every single time. That's when you start making mistakes.

Yeah. How much time does it take? Because it It also, I think there's you know, this thinking that well, to be a general, I need to be on the site the whole time, or I need to be, you know, I need to be there at least three hours a day on site, you know, kind of like supervising? And I don't know, right? I guess I just don't have enough experience. But that's my impression.

Yet there are times when you need to be there. And there are times when you don't need to be there. Yeah, when they're when they're doing the excavation. And you only need to be there when you're getting the final level of excavation. Yeah, that's good. During concrete, you want to make sure that you got conduits in there and the rebar in there and you want to make sure things are square. And when it's poured, it's good. During framing, you're going to want to be there. That's the one subcontractor that you're going to want to be there almost all the time, because they can give you different features. Different options, like client just walked in today says, Hey, Hey, I got this walkway, move it and then create a bench. I go Yeah, but can I do it this way? And go, yeah. And so they can they can create new value to the home during the course of that framing if they're there. But if they're not a framer has questions, they're probably going to make their decision. But make less if you've got a designer that didn't get some things done, right. Like I have a designer that I'm dealing with a plan and they had elevation windows, on the outside elevation, but the inside ceiling was below the window. And so you wouldn't see the window. So I had to come up with a quick fix to make that work. And so if you're there, you can solve for some problems, and even answer some of the things you want when they have questions.

How long does it take generally, on average to build, you know, let's say just like a kind of a standard, you know, maybe 200 to 300 $400 $400,000 house. I mean, different parts of the country. That's an entirely different house.

But it depends on a lot of factors. If you're in a very very, I'm in I'm in probably the construction heaven of the country right now because our weather is mild all year long. Right? And so we were building all the time. If I'm in upstate New York or Maine, you got a window of opportunity to get it get it built and if you don't get it done in that time, you're in trouble so but I can get a home done in about four months. If it's a If it's a production bill, if it's a high end custom home, it's six months to 12 months in that range, depending upon the complexity of the home. But the more complex you make that home, the longer it's going to be. And the more complex it's going to be. I just put a video out on my YouTube channel, where I said, if you're going to build a home, and you want to keep it streamlined and really simple, don't have multiple wall height changes, I just came from a home builder we're doing right now they're framing the trusses of 11, wall height changes. So it's a very, very modern, so that makes it complicated. And so just because you can be an owner builder, doesn't mean you want to jump into the highly complicated if you can keep it simple in a Rambler, single level three bedroom, two bath, maybe a porch on there, that's easy to manage. But when you start getting complicated with your, your, your high and all these different elevations, that's when you can run into some problems. You've never been through that process before.

Yeah. So you know, the reason I wanted to grab the Keith for this, you produce some great content, you help people, and there's different levels that that you personally, or you know, are you make yourself available? Or make your content available? Um, can you kind of explain how you work with homeowners how you help them all the different ways?

Yeah, I have, I was a teacher for 25 years. So I just put two together, construction with education and a lot of people just poopoo owner builders, and look how bad their work was. And I go, somebody needs to help them. Why doesn't somebody just get out? I put a video out there the five reasons why you don't need to hire a general contractor. And I've had so many GCS criticize me for that video. And I said, you know, something, you can keep saying what you want about owner builders, but they're gonna do what they're gonna do, because of the finances are pushing them to do that. And so why it would be better to just help. Why don't we just try to help people. That's what America is all about. And plus, we were self reliant at one time, let's become more self reliant. So I have three courses, once it started courses, it's really affordable, it's on the website, and how to build your own home. Right now, it's just $15, it is going to get raised to $27. But it gives you a 5000 foot level of what's required. And how do you factors square foot cost, and what would most likely cause or cost in my area to build a home and it has some downloadable forms. It's about 11 courses, and you can get through it in about 45 minutes, then I have a self managed course, if you really want to move forward with it. The self managed course has all the checklists, draw sheets, ready to go budget in Excel format. This design, I've used it in over 100 builds, has just whatever the you need to help you organize yourself, and manage your own construction process without being totally in the blind. So when a plumber comes on board, you download a couple of checklists for plumbers, make sure that it's sloping at one quarter inch bubble, and it just takes you through that process. So you can walk on a site and kind of know what to look for, and what to what to measure and stuff like that. So you're not you're more informed and and you could ever be and that's a very affordable, of course, right? And then I have a GC package where they can I can consult them through the entire process.

Nice, nice. Overall, they're still gonna save a massive amount.

Yeah.

By having you kind of in their hip pocket that kind of goes, I'm looking at that one right there and where you're kind of helped with the personally phone text email support throughout the build. And that's really great. Yeah.

Boy, this is fantastic, Keith and I would imagine Do you have any videos of like, success stories are happy.

Really, I started this about a year and a half ago, and I was building a custom home up in part I was making full posts on Facebook, I just said, Let's create a site called How To Build your home. And I started posting things, just little pictures and short little videos. And I had a student contact me says, Hey, can I come talk to you? I'm just down south from you. But I'm going to be building an Oregon. I go, sure. And they said, Can we hire you? And I never thought about it until Okay, sure. I don't I don't want to charge too much. And so I helped her out. And during the course of helping her out, I started creating the program.

Yeah, I started, I said, I'll tell you what, I'll draft up a checklist for the next thing and I'll draft up a checklist, and I kept perfecting and perfecting them. And now I have guys about 340 in the starter course, and about 140 students in the self managed course. And I'm consulting about seven in an actual GE general contracting as a consultant. So it's growing it's
when you're up, Keith, your YouTube channel is fantastic. You know, I'm just looking right here. I mean, there's I think it looks like about 7080 videos alone here where you deliver all lot of great content and people can kind of get a feel for you and and your teaching style and so forth. And again, so your website is how to build your own home.com. That's correct. Yeah, this has been fantastic. Anything else?

No, no. I, one thing I do that the piece of advice to tell everyone is they keep asking what's it going to cost to build a home? Yeah. And that's starter class really helps people out. Because it's really relevant to your markets, your area, your environment, what kind of subcontractor you have available there. And I kind of walk them through that that course would be very helpful for people if they really want to dig into it.

Yeah. Fantastic. All right, Keith Kelsch again, how to build your own home calm. Thanks so much for joining us.

You're welcome. I appreciate it.

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